as far as i'm concerned, we have migration into this country. the migrants that have come here have made an enormous effort and worked very hard. without them our health service wouldn't survive. without them education would be in trouble and without them transport would be in trouble. there is two million british people living in other parts of the european union. what i am concerned about is the way in which some have been victimised and brought in. so i would deal with the under cutting, i think, brought in. so i would deal with the under cutting, ithink, that's under cutting, i think, that's the priority. but do you think it would be better for the country if immigration were to fall? we've done well as a country for those who have come to make their homes here. numbers vary year—on—year, five years' time we could be outside of the eu and we will have two be trading with the eu. we also have an ageing population which does require a younger workforce. reporter: is there a country in the world where a high—paying or maximum pay raise year has been enforced? i think it was tried in egypt and was

not enforced, perhaps? —— ratio. not enforced, perhaps? -- ratio. we are looking at this as a consultation proposal. whether it can be used in company law or statutory law, or whether it is something we can insurers introduced voluntarily. but this massive gap which is getting wider in britain compared to any other country in the oecd is a matter of concern and something that is very popular. a lot of people are interested in this idea because they see that they are working really hard in an organisation or a company, you do, andi organisation or a company, you do, and i think that your ceo earns more than you do... laughter since you work for sky, that must be the case! but the point i'm making is no organisation survives only on the brilliance of the chief executive or the chairman of the board. every organisation requires

its entire workforce. you could not runa its entire workforce. you could not run a hospital without doctors and nurses, cleaners and catering. you could not run a school without the whole team or a company without the whole team or a company without the whole team. can't we look instead at reducing that gap to ensure a better standard of living for everybody? it does not remove aspiration or opportunities for growth, but just means that it is a considerably fairer society than we are heading for at the present time. reporter: you are quite critical of boris johnson's bus reporter: you are quite critical of borisjohnson‘s bus but you appear not to have the same basic philosophy in saying you can save eu contributions and deploy it to the nhs. it is just contributions and deploy it to the nhs. it isjust a matter nhs. it is just a matter of the amount. what i am saying is that there will be a reconfiguration of expenditure, there are key areas look at the crisis at the present time and the funding it needs.

country, like the south—west for example —— of feet you. i see it as a priority to fund the nhs. —— of the eu. have we run out of time? i'm sorry everybody, we have run out of time, but thank you all so much for coming today. thank you very much indeed. it would have been the end of the question and answer session. our chief political correspondent vicki young is in peterborough for us... she was listening to that, so many questions that people wanted answering afterjeremy corbyn was talking on bbc radio this morning. we suddenly found out about a potential pay cap. then, other members of the labour party seemed not to agree or know we were hoping to get to the bottom of what he really wanted, what the

labour leaderjeremy corbyn really wants in terms of a pay cap. we heard him there saying "i fairer society". a keira frame that we keep hearing. i think we can talk to vicki young. —— a it in the leadership contest in 2015 and it was raised again today, quite unexpectedly i think. that does not appear to be the detailed work done on itand appear to be the detailed work done on it and what he has just done appear to be the detailed work done on it and what he hasjust done in that speech is clarified slightly. he seemed to give the impression earlier that he was talking about a salary cap but now he is offering different alternatives that there could be, talking more about ratios. he is saying that within a company,

the chief executive or the top of the chief executive or the top of the company should not earn more than 20 times what a junior member ona minimum than 20 times what a junior member on a minimum wage would be earning. if the lowest paid person is on £16,000 per year, they can earn up to £350,000. he says it is not across all companies but those with government contracts, they can impose that. john mcdonnell talked about this and said that would be the best way of doing it, incentivising. you could pay less corporation tax if you sign up to some sort of salary cap, and clearly, other members of the shadow cabinet did not really know that this was coming, they said it is not party policy at the moment but something jeremy corbyn thinks is important. he's talked about fairness and we have heard theresa may talking about it, resentment builds up and there is a dividing nation to an extent. jeremy corbyn is trying to come up with a policy to do something about it rather than only talk about it. and a thought

about the immigration question, about the immigration question, about what britain might look like once we are no longer part of the eu. there seems to be a degree of confusion earlier in the day, what more are we hearing about that? his point is that he feels the government has no plan on all of this. within his own party, there's been a difference of opinion on levels of immigration. he has always said he does not think immigration is too high in this country, and it is too high in this country, and it is clear from what he said today that he stands by all of that. earlier, he spoke of the fact that labour would not be wedded to freedom of movement. just now, he has said he does not want to rule it out. there restored some clarification needed there on exactly what he feels about all of this, —— there needs to be some clarification. like if britain should remain in the single market, but that would mean accepting

freedom of movement. it is unclear. i think there are certain pressures in the labour party in all of this, there are labour mps in the north of england who feel under pressure from ukip, and not reflecting the anxieties of labour voters who fill immigration is too high. it sounded likejeremy immigration is too high. it sounded like jeremy corbyn wanted immigration is too high. it sounded likejeremy corbyn wanted to look at that, but it is a positive case for immigration, it seems. now we will talk about that issue of executive pay... we can speak to david blanchflower — who was an economic advisor to jeremy corbyn. a former member of the bank of england's policy committee. we don't have many details to give to you following on from that speech, it just finished, but in terms of what he's been saying on the radio today and the notion of some sort of cap on pay, certainly because he wants

to make society fairer, we've heard that a lot in the last 30 minutes, but is there any way in which it could potentially work? absolutely not, it is sensible to think about what you might do about inequality, thatis what you might do about inequality, that is obviously an issue and there is the question of fairness surrounding who gets what. but the reality years, there is a market. to put it technically, there is a productivity distribution. that has widened over time. so, the very best are more productive than those in the middle. the reason that incomes have broadened is because people are paid for their performance. obviously, that is part of the story here. clearly, with an economy like the uk's, you would like to reward someone the uk's, you would like to reward someone who invests, let's say, thousands of people and the country benefits because of the jobs and

because of the extra tax income. and to actually think that you could impose a salary cap is a completely idiotic idea. not a single economist would agree with it. if i had been an adviser, i would have said to him, back off. it appears that he did within a couple of hours, there was a visceral reaction from everybody in the idea that you would put a salary cap on. it would not be an incentive if you cap salaries in the public sector. then, polity falls. it is another silly idea. he kept using the words "fair" and "fairness" in that speech. but could we look at those ratios. like penalising countries if there is too big a gap between the person at the top and the person at the bottom? —— companies. at the top and the person at the bottom? -- companies. if created by an owner who created the job and

jobs for everyone else. it is not workable. think about a company who creates another company and pays through that. it is not workable and it is impractical. we have markets and the uk economy... it is completely impossible to do that. if the first company says 0k, i will create another shell company andi i will create another shell company and i will pay the director £1... it is completely impossible and impractical. perhaps how to do it is incentivised shareholders and give them more power but if they see that their return is ok, they go along with it. you could certainly do that but to actually say that we should cap pay, thatis actually say that we should cap pay, that is not practical. it is not that is not practical. it is not that you don't want to do anything about inequality, this is not the way to do it. completely impractical. i think it is total lunacy. 0k,

impractical. i think it is total lunacy. ok, if you were still advising him today, assuming that he did listen to you, as you said, what advice would you give him? saying look, this is how we can deal with an equality in this country? my friend richard murphy was also an adviser, and he said that he thought that the scheme... the idea is jeremy corbyn suggested were impractical. there are things that you can do through the tax system. you can give incentives for firms to hire and give increasing power to shareholders. jeremy corbyn has talked about making remuneration committees where the majority of people on the adi workers. i don't think shareholders will agree with that —— are the workers. i don't thing they would agree with that. ways of being fed. —— ways of being

fair. they are paid more when companies are profitable. he does not seem to understand that. people think they will work where the money is highest. it lowers the chances of investment. could he or should he be doing more at the bottom of the scale? should he be talking more about zero hours co ntra cts ? he be talking more about zero hours contracts? people who have multiple job sometimes but still barely make enough to pay the rent because they do not have the security of tenure, or pay in benefits. try and help people at the lower end as a positive to it. dealing through the welfare system... the cuts to welfare system... the cuts to welfare and how the poor had been impacted. you could clearly reverse those and think about ways of incentivising firms to hire people

and hirea incentivising firms to hire people and hire a basic wage. give incentives to firms to do the right thing. my experience is that they will cooperate with you, and think about ways of improving things. so, they see incentives giving workers better conditions and better pay conditions, then productivity rises. he reality is in the labour market, you want to encourage productivity and reward productivity, not take away the rules. it's very good to talk to you, thank you forjoining us. sir david clementi has been named as the new bbc chairman, and will lead the bbc‘s new unitary board. sir david is a former deputy governor of the bank of england, and former chairman of prudential and virgin money. he was up against two others, john makin said with a background in

publishing and deirdre hutton. he is broadly seen as a safe pair of hands. he had some chairmanships in the past, he is thought to have done a solid job and is well respected in his time as the deputy governor of the bank of england but what is really interesting is that last march he was the author of a report which looked into the structure of the bbc and made quite a remarkable recommendation which ended up being seen recommendation which ended up being seen through. that the bbc should no longer have a system of self—regulation, being its own watchdog, but regulated by ofcom, the bbc trust should be replaced by a different board and have a new chairman. which is him! and what are the pressing issues? challenges they face are ultimately for tony hall, if you like, the chief executive. together with fellow directors he can meet with them. david will deal

with budget cuts which have come as a result of cuts and licences for the elderly should be funded by the bbc which could save hundreds of millions, a fundamental realignment of policies at the bbc. the entertainment sector in particular, the bbc is used to being the biggest broadcaster in the jungle and now there are these new predators stalking in the undergrowth like amazon prime and netflix which users are paying for. the bbc has to compete. making them work with these fundamental financial changes is something that david clementi will have the support of the bbc in doing. thank you. a reminder of the headlines today on bbc news... jeremy corbyn has told supporters that labour is not wedded to the principle of free movement from the european union. record

numbers of patients are facing long waits in a&e to get a bed, as documents leaked to the bbc show the full extent of the nhs winter crisis in england. police questioned a 15—year—old girl in connection with the death of a seven—year—old girl in york. in sport, the football world cup will expand from 32 teams to 48. consideration has to be given to 48. consideration has to be given to the teams and leagues. lord coe will face the commons committee to give evidence about doping in athletics. the president of the iaaf is asked to explain what he knew about historic allegations. and kempton park race course is to be closed for housing. sandown and newmarket to gain all—weather tracks. i will be back with an update in 15 minutes. a few more

details on that story we told you about in the headlines... a 15—year—old girl has been arrested after the death of a seven—year—old girl in york. the younger girl was found with life—threatening injuries in the woodthorpe area of the city, and died later in hospital. north yorkshire police gave this statement to journalists. a 15—year—old girl has been arrested in connection with the incident and remains in police custody. officers have conducted house—to—house enquiries in the area and are at the scene as the investigation continues. specially trained officers are supporting the family at this difficult time. clearly, circumstances require the investigation to be conducted in a sensitive manner. that was a brief statement. our correspondent fiona trott is in york. how much more do we what happened? detectives arrived here in the last few minutes, and still the

investigation is ongoing. behind that police van there is the playing field where we believe the seven—year—old girl was found yesterday. there was a forensics tend their earlier which has now been removed, a lot of police are going backwards and forwards. —— a forensics tent. at 4:30pm yesterday afternoon, the girl ‘s mother arrived in the street and was frantic, crying and calling out to people asking them to call an ambulance, which arrived and the girl was taken to hospital. she died a short term later from girl was taken to hospital. she died a short term laterfrom her injuries. as you heard in that clip, a 15—year—old girl is in custody and helping police with enquiries. we do not know what she is being held on suspicion of come and we are awaiting formal identification from the police. we heard police there talking about officers, specially trained officers, helping the family

of the victim. a local councillor has talked about support for the local community. he's been speaking to church leaders, hoping to get a church open to offer them support as and when they need it. thank you. a court has heard that a popular children's author was allegedly drugged by her partner before he suffocated her and hid her body in a cesspit. the remains of helen bailey — who was 51 — were found lastjuly at the house in hertfordshire where she lived with ian stewart. he denies murder. he was her fiance. our correspondent ben ando is at st albans crown court. at the start of the prosecution opening their case, the jury was warned that they needed to be ready to see some quite distressing images amongst the photographs that they would be shown jarring the trial. helen bailey was 51 years old when she died and was successful and a well—regarded author of teenage

fiction. she created the character electro— brown and had been living with her partner ian stuart, who is 55. last year injuly he reported her missing. there was a campaign and friends of hers searched woodland nearby where she was known to walk with her the love that pets dash and called colin. following a tip—off, police went back to the home and followed a hatch that went down to a 100—year—old well, which was a cesspit. an arm was poking through the surface, it took time but they recovered the body of helen bailey and her pet dog. ian stuart was charged with murder and the motive is said to be financial. when you add together financial assets and profits, —— properties, she was

worth about £4 million. after her death it was showing that he went to the bank and changed a standing orderfrom £600 a month to him to £4000 a month. police believe that he disposed of an incriminating duvet by taking it to the tip and disposed of her mobile phone. he denies the charges and the trial continues. thank you. the northern ireland secretary, james brokenshire, has told mps that early elections in northern ireland are "highly likely" and that the situation at stormont was "grave". yesterday, the deputy first minister, sinn fein's martin mcguinness resigned over a flawed renewable energy scheme. my colleague ben brown is at stormont. james brokenshire, the northern ireland secretary, said the situation here is grave, the worst

political crisis that northern ireland has ever seen in the last decade, all stemming from that surprise resignation from martin mcguinness, the first minister. he said that first minister of the dup arlene foster has behaved arrogantly, and he made it a lot of accusations about this renewable heatin accusations about this renewable heat in scheme which it all centres on. a heating scheme which sinn fein says costing the public purse some £0.5 billion which it should not have cost and that money is being squandered. sinn fein is saying that that kind of mistake, that sort of botched scheme by the dup, is symptomatic of the way that they've been trying to run things in northern ireland. so, he is resigning and sinn fein say that nobody else will be nominated to be the deputy first minister. that means the northern ireland secretary is likely to call elections for the northern ireland assembly. northern ireland is in crisis at the moment,

and arlene foster of the dup had this to say at a news conference a short time ago... the major sticking point between us over the last few weeks has been the fact that sinn fein would not agree to the establishment of an enquiry enteral i stepped aside as first minister. for me, i felt that to have done so would have led to the conclusion that i was guilty of something improper, which is not the case. i am no longer the first minister so therefore, there is no reason under sinn fein's reasoning why an investigation cannot now be established. if, however, sinn fein are unwilling for an investigation to be established, i would ask for an investigation to be carried out on the terms of reference without discussion with sinn fein to be set up discussion with sinn fein to be set up underthe enquiries discussion with sinn fein to be set up under the enquiries act 2005. i am determined that the public will get the facts in an independent and

impartial way through from party political demands and buyers. i want to see an investigation commenced quickly so that it will demonstrate idid quickly so that it will demonstrate i did nothing wrong and my integrity is vindicated —— bias. i did nothing wrong and my integrity is vindicated -- bias. that is arlene foster there of the dup. no longer the first minister as she says, because under power—sharing rules, if her deputy, martin mcguinness, stands down, she has two as well. the wider thinking here, and what a lot of observers have been saying on this, is that it is not just about this renewable been saying on this, is that it is notjust about this renewable heat incentive but also that sinn fein in many ways seem to have lost faith in the way that power—sharing is operating at the moment. they wanted restructured and grassroots supporters are pretty fed up grassroots supporters are pretty fed up with the way that it has been

carried out over the last few years. there is also a suggestion that all of this could end up in the reimposition of direct rule from london. sinn fein's president gerry adams was asked for his reaction to that possibility... that is to do with the dup, if they think that they are going to what sort of government or have an election on the same terms which caused the collapse, then they have to make their minds up on that. they are prepared to treat people the way they want to be treated themselves. if they are prepared to subscribe to the principles of equality and fairness, then it is a different matter entirely. i thought it was an interesting insight into dup thinking. he said, we do not want to be friends with sinn fein. i said, why not? what signal does it send out? two people? we want to be friends with the dup but it has to be on the basis of equality. nobody broke their backs more often and reached out and martin mcguinness. our record is very clear. if people

wa nt our record is very clear. if people want to limp along here, in this sectarian state with a sectarian headcount election, or people say it does not have to be like that, we saw that with martin and ian paisley and what is possible, and what wasn't possible. so, that is sinn fein's gerry adams. it does seem clear that there is bad blood between sinn fein and the dup, particularly in terms of the personalities here at stormont, with martin mcguinness and arlene foster in particular. martin mcguinness seems to get on well with ian paisley, when he was first minister. but with that, he was accused of being selfish with his resignation and he has accused her of being arrogant. northern ireland secretary james brokenshire has said that he is prepared to broker talks between the two sides and the irish minister

charlie flanagan has said he can get involved with that as well but the likelihood is, there will be this crisis seems to continue for many months to come. thank you. record numbers of patients are facing long waits in a&e according to documents leaked to the bbc, which show the full extent of the winter crisis in the nhs in england. more than 18,000 patients waited longer than four hours at a&e last week — with only one hospital hitting its target. some 485 waited for more than 12 hours — treble the number seen during the whole of january last year. the figures come from a document compiled by the group nhs improvement and show this winter is proving to be the most difficult for a generation. earlier i spoke doctor faye kirkland — a gp who works for the bbc as an investigative reporter on health issues — about these a and e figures. these figures are from the first week in january. these figures are from the first week injanuary. they these figures are from the first week in january. they show that people who have seen a doctor had to waitan people who have seen a doctor had to wait an extra 12 hours to be

admitted on 485 occasions. if you compare it to january last year, it happened 185 times. if we look at what he said yesterday, there was a handful of people. leaked documents show yesterday that 29 people were weighted to be admitted after 29 —— we re weighted to be admitted after 29 —— were waiting to be admitted. people said that they needed to be admitted and between 4—12 hours later they we re and between 4—12 hours later they were still on a trolley waiting to be admitted. the red cross says that nhs england faces a humanitarian crisis, that has been disputed but what do you make of these figures? they are very concerning, we know that these patients are often the most sick and had to be admitted. on a ward, they may not get timely care. the royal college of midwives and says that those who wait for 12 hours on a trolley are at it —— of medicine. they are at risk of dying. it is

significant for people. isn't it like this every winter? we have a couple of months which see particular pressures? these figures are the worst that we have seen. we have a four hour target which is when you go to a need, you should be admitted or discharge, or go to a ward within four hours. every single hospital one has missed that target and we have never seen before. you would have heard this view, too many people are abusing a&e and go when all they have to do is see their gp. they make up the problem? nhs england says that up to 30% of people may be attending inappropriately but these 12 hour wait is other people who have to be there. most people would say that there. most people would say that the main problem is getting people out of the hospital and people having delayed discharges. those ending up in a&e for a long time is because they do not have a bed. what kinds of things are we talking about? broken limbs? these will be

real emergencies, people who have heart attacks, strokes, all waiting for emergency operations. they need emergency medical care and have to be admitted and cannot be discharged home. and doctors and nurses who are fully aware that these people need to be treated sooner rather than later? we know that they are the sickest patients. they do not only had to look after these patients waiting to go to the ward but those coming in. these delayed admissions lead to these delays in people getting the urgent care that they need. these are figures and behind every figure is an individual story of incredible stress and pain in many cases. notjust for the patient but families and others? yes, and staff have been working incredibly hard. we've had a lot of stories in the media about the distrustful time that people have in trying to look after these patients —— the stressful time. patients had to wait hours on these trolleys.

much more coming up in the next half an hour. we will be talking to ken loach. let's catch up with the weather prospects from jay wynne. there is some snow in the forecast. short—term though, we have got wetter weather coming in under an increasingly strong wind. the winds are increasingly strong wind. the winds a re really increasingly strong wind. the winds are really picking up. gale force and across scotland and those showers turning wintry over higher ground and it is another chilly night with the single figures across—the—board night with the single figures across—the—boa rd and that's night with the single figures across—the—board and that's in major towns and cities. i members of the juried the wind, it will be a key feature of things tomorrow. travel disruption could be an issue. quite a lot of wintry showers across scotland. we will see accumulating over higher ground. a little bit gets down to lower levels. the further south you are, it is largely

dry. a chilly day further north and the strong winds will accentuate that. another windy day on thursdayment further wintry showers. further south, quite a bit of rain to be had, but maybe notjust rain in the south, over higher ground there could be some snow well as well. hello. this is bbc news with simon mccoy and jane hill. the headlines at 4.32pm: the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has been setting out his plans for brexit, saying he's no longer "wedded" to the principle of freedom of movement of european union citizens once britain leaves, but that he wouldn't rule out keeping it. i don't want to be misinterpreted, nor do we rule it out. thousands of patients have had to face long waits in a&e to get a bed as documents leaked to the bbc show the full extent of the nhs

winter crisis in england. police are questioning a 15—year—old girl in connection with the death of a younger child in york. us president barack obama prepares to bid farewell to the nation — in his last big speech before leaving office. it's time for the sport. we go to the bbc sports centre and it is olly foster. hello. the world cup from 32 to 48 teams but that consideration needs to be given to the potential impact on fans, players, teams and leagues. the change will start in the 2026 tournament. the scottish fa believes it's a positive step, that will allow more fans across the globe to be a part of football's showpiece event. the european club association,

representing over 200 major teams, opposes the change saying it's based on political reasons rather than sporting ones. former england player terry butcher has also questioned how the group stages will work. the format is really strange. i find, i think, the format is really strange. i find, ithink, you probably the format is really strange. i find, i think, you probably need a lawyer or mathematician to work out the permutations. penalty shoot—outs will have a big impact on this world cup if they go to groups of three because the last game, they don't wa nt two tea ms because the last game, they don't want two teams playing out a draw. i think they'll say penalty shoot—outs and it is horrible when you go out ina and it is horrible when you go out in a penalty shoot—out in the early stages, not in the latter stages like we did in the 1990s. lord coe, the president of athletics world governing body the iaaf, is to be recalled by a commons committee, to give more evidence as part of its inquiry into combating doping in sport coe told a select committee in december that he was unaware of any specific

allegations about the extent of russian doping, but former athlete dave bedford told the same committee today, that he had called and e—mailed coe to warn him about the scandal in august of that year. seb coe was contacted by him on numerous occasion where he was seeking to engage lord coe on the subject of doping in russia and the knowledge of officials at the iaaf about that and indeed, their collusion on seeking to cover it up and extort money from athletes. these are some of the most serious allegations made about any sport and for lord coe to ignore those texts and e—mails, does beg the question, did he show enough tenacity and curiosity to get to the bottom of really, really serious allegation about his sport? the iaaf has issued a statement saying today's evidence nothing new and that lord coe has has no further information he can provide to the inquiry. sir dave brailsford has criticised

the chairman of uk anti—doping, for undermining the investigation into allegations of wrongdoing in cycling. david kenworthy described evidence given by the team sky principal to mps last month as "extraordinary" and "very disappointing". most fair—minded people in britain would accept that if there's any issue and we start the process and there is an authority, which is the right place really to get to the bottom of anything, and it is a diligent process which we all trust and respect, and we are ongoing in the middle of that, and there is an investigation which is still ongoing. the chair of that organisation, for them to discuss the actual contents of that investigation whilst it is live and open, that is extraordinary in my mind. the historic kempton park racecourse could be closed to make way for housing. should the proposal go ahead, kempton's famous king george vi chase would move to sandown,

located six miles away. course owner, thejockey club, says the proposal is "for the long—term good of british racing" and is part of plans to raise £500 million to invest in the sport. that's all sport for now. i'll have more in the next hour. olly, thank you very much indeed. the hollywood musical la la land is leading the running for this year's bafta awards, with 11 nominations including best film. its stars ryan gosling and emma stone are also up for best actor and actress — just a day after winning at the golden globes. british actors andrew garfield, emily blunt and hugh grant are also nominated, as is british state welfare drama i, daniel blake. inafew in a few moments we will be talking

to ken loach. let's take a look at some of those films. # city of stars, are you shining just for me? # city of stars, there's so much that i can't see. # who knows, is this the start of something wonderful? if you've been deemed fit for work, your only option is jobseeker‘s allowance. i want to appeal. you have to apply online, sir. i was a carpenter. i've never been anywhere near a computer. you need to run the mouse up the screen. no, not that like that. i'm just gannin' round in circles. i'm going to have to ask you to leave. i'm trying to explain to you a situation, and you don't care. i've got about 12 quid in my purse. do you know what — you've created a scene. what was i supposed to do? jesus christ! who's first in this queue? iam.

do you mind if this young lass signs on first? no, no, you carry on. this isn't your concern. i want you to get out as well. every 18 hours a door opens up. that's when we go in. dramatic music. it's time. yeah, that has happened. what happens now? they arrive. my ex—husband used to call me a nocturnal animal. i didn't know you had an ex—husband. i've been thinking about him a lot lately, and recently he sent me this book that he's written. it's violent, and he dedicated it to me. did you love him? i did something horrible to him. with me is the director of one of those films, ken loach. his film i, daniel blake, is up for five nominations in total. hello. good afternoon and

congratulations. hello. nice to talk to you. well, you have won an award at cannes. i wonder what a bafta might mean? i think it will mean a lot. it is a great acknowledgement for all the people who worked on it and it is a really boost to everybody who told their store dwris to us and shared their experiences andi to us and shared their experiences and i guess it also says that films can do many things. they can be funny. they can be tragic and they can be an escape and they can be a fa ntasy, can be an escape and they can be a fantasy, but they can reflect the world back to us, the world we know and help us to understand it, and see it more clearly and i guess that's what we tried to do and so, that's what we tried to do and so, that's also can be good cinema. and

when you say you're grateful to people who told you your stories, is that a nod to the amount of research that a nod to the amount of research that went into this? the amount of people you spoke to in what, a similar situation, to that par troud in the film? absolutely. i mean people who are, who have nothing and treated with desperate cruelty. people who face a bureaucracy which is there to trap you. it's there to punish people. it is this is there to tell their poverty is their own fault and they are incompetent and they did everything asked of him, there would be 1.6 million unemployed and over five there would be 1.6 million unemployed and overfive million under employed. there have been reports from cinemas of the reaction to yourfilm. reports from cinemas of the reaction to your film. people reports from cinemas of the reaction to yourfilm. people really reports from cinemas of the reaction to your film. people really sitting, staying in their seats as the

credits roll, not always the case at the end of a film and sitting stunned silence. is that a reaction that pleases you, that surprises you? what's your that pleases you, that surprises you ? what's your thought that pleases you, that surprises you? what's your thought about that? yes, it is very, it means the film has connected and that's terrific. but if people do know what's going on, then they are touched and they become angry, you know. i mean, i mean one of the great things we found is while the government is behaving with extraordinary cruelty, there is great solidarity amongst people in communities. the people who run foodbanks for example, great generosity and kindness and sensitivity to people's needs. so it's, i think, sensitivity to people's needs. so it's, ithink, it sensitivity to people's needs. so it's, i think, it shows our society, two faces, two very contrasting faces of the way we live now. you might know thatjeremy corbyn put out a tweet earlier today, once he heard about the nominations, he said

congratulations ken loach and eve ryo ne congratulations ken loach and everyone involved in the brilliant film, i, daniel blake on their nominations. that's very kind of him. ithink, you know, i'm going to be contentious, when you get old, you want to cut to the chase. they have got one slither of hope and it's into corbyn's labour party and we've got to keep him there somehow. and what do you make therefore, of what he has been talking about today. we have been l listening to his speech in the past hour. he used the word, "fairness" umpteen times. he was on the radio talking about a pay cap. is that appropriate? is that something you'd like to see? we've got to move to a fairer society. you can't have the gross inequality that we've got. it's not right. it's not efficient. it is not the way to live and i have to say, asi the way to live and i have to say, as i have been sitting here, when you see the headlines that are

running beneath the programme now, on the one hand we have got the health service in crisis with real near collapse and on the other hand we've got a banker going to run the bbc. we are mixed between really serious drama and high fast. back to film, we're lucky to be there. ken loach, i would love to talk to you longer, but we're grateful you made the effort to come and touk to us made the effort to come and touk to us this afternoon. we appreciate it. all the best for 12th february. we're looking forward to it and i'm sure it will be a great night and we're sure it will be a great night and we' re really sure it will be a great night and we're really honoured to be there. hope to see you there. perhaps we'll even talk on the night. ken loach joining us there from bristol. his film nominated in five categories. tonight, after eight years in the white house, president obama will give a farewell speech. during his time in office, obama's contended with a global financial crisis and syria's descent into war. he's also been frustrated by political stalemate at home on policies including gun control.

joining me now from our westminster studio is labour mp david lammy who knows the president from their time studying at harvard law school. he was elected on a tidal wave of optimism, promising to heal america's wounds. hindsight is a wonderful thing. did he deliver?|j think wonderful thing. did he deliver?” think he did. if you remember, he came in injanuary 2008 and in the december, the year before, america went into recession, the biggest recession since the second world war. so that hope, if you like, quickly dwindled because america was ina quickly dwindled because america was in a profoundly serious place with huge unemployment, massive deficit and a recession. he got america out of that recession. i think that was remarkable frankly and of course, as his biggest legacy. the hope left. i

think a major, major achievement is delivering obamaca re and think a major, major achievement is delivering obamacare and universal health care to american citizens. many, many more poor americans now have health care as a result of his great attempts and that defied truman and clinton and many others who wanted to make that step to move america to a more civilised universal health care system. he has made no se contract of his frugsstrations, the one standing out, of course, is his frustration over the lack of gun control and continued lack of gun control in america? well, of course, he came up against a formidable lobby and a republican party splint erk and creating the tea party that fought him on that very major issue. i know if you speak it him, he would regret not being able to do more, but boy, oh boy, did he try, but of course, he also faced a con glaefs set

against him and —— congress set against him and —— congress set against him and in different political hands. he was the first african—american president for the united states, but also the huge strides he made on same—sex marriage and equality for lesbian, and gay and equality for lesbian, and gay and transgender people. a huge achievement to make it federal law and pass same—sex marriage. achievement to make it federal law and pass same-sex marriage. you got to know him before he became president. what do you think he'll do now? well, i was with him last week actually in the oval office and it was wonderful to see him as he leaves office as well and he was very upbeat and looking forward. he's relatively speaking in political terms a young man. i don't think he's leaving the stage. he has got a lot of energy. he is still fired up and i know that he intends to be very active in supporting the causes that he cares about. he cares

passionately about young people, not just in the united states, but across the world. passionately about the environment. and of course, he, i'm sure he's very aware that america is turning in a different direction and he still remains a very senior democrat and a very, very senior democrat and a very, very senior democrat and a very, very senior voice in the united states and on the global stage. as name dropping goes, i was in the oval office last week isn't a bad line! i wonder when you were there with him, what's the atmosphere like and did you sense a sadness from him that he hasn't perhaps fulfilled everything he wanted to do? well, i've maintained a private friendship with the president in the years he has been in office and i think it has been in office and i think it has been in office and i think it has been very important not to talk about that on a public stage being a public servant here in britain. i have never sensed when i have been in here company, over now longer

well over a decade, ever sensed a sense of being downbeat. he has a lwa ys sense of being downbeat. he has always been optimist k, when he talks about hope, he really believes it. i spoke to friends who are senators when i was in the states last week. they like me, are a lot gloomier about the global picture. you then meet the president and he has a much more upbeat analysis of the way forward. maybe it is the case that to be a progressive politician and to reach the top of your party and your country, you do need a big dose of optimism. certainly tony blair had it in our country. clinton has it and it is also the case that barack obama has it in spades. he is an optimist. david lammy, thank you forjoining us. david lammy, thank you forjoining us. thank you. we will have live coverage of barack obama's farewell speech. set your alarm, 2am he's talking from chicago, but if you have to get

sleep, we will be showing it later in the day as well. for the first time, researchers have filmed chimpanzees. the study discovered them using tree branches to collect water as victoria gill reports. after being hidden in the forest of the ivory coast for a month, this remote camera captured something surprising. a mother and baby making and using tools to reach a vital water supply hidden deep within the trees. it's a new insight into the remarkable behaviour of our closest primate cousins. if you think they've got 90—95% saying dna as humans, they are very intelligent animals. we've seen it working at chester zoo, working with these animals, just the kind of things they can do. different cultures of chimpanzees

have learned different tool use. so it's certainly not new to find chimpanzees using tools. the animals are already known to use sticks to fish for termites and to dip into beehives for honey, but the researchers were particularly impressed by how well crafted these drinking tools were. chimps selected and stripped long thin sticks and chewed the ends into very water—absorbent brushes. and for captive breeding programmes like this one, zoos have to understand these natural behaviours to keep the animals as mentally stimulated as possible. we give them small sticks. and then we give them an area where they keep honey, ready brek, that kind of thing. and they have to use their sticks, make them into a certain way so they can put the stick in the hole and get the food out. so encouraging natural behaviours. it's all gone very quiet here at chester zoo because it's feeding time for the chimpanzees, and these are actually western chimpanzees, the same sub—species that was looked

at in this piece of research. nimble fingered, very clever, toolmaking and tool—using, but sadly, critically endangered primates. in the wild, the population of these great apes continues to decline, largely because of poaching and the destruction of their forest habitat. findings like this showjust how much more we have to learn about chimpanzee culture. that report was from victoria gill. in a moment a look at how the financial markets in europe closed the day, but first the headlines on bbc news: jeremy corbyn has told supporters that labour "isn't wedded" to the principle of free movement from the european union, but said he wouldn't rule out keeping it. record numbers of patients are facing long waits in a&e to get a bed, as documents leaked to the bbc show the full extent of the nhs winter crisis in england.

police question a 15—year—old girl in connection with the death of a seven—year—old in york. hello. now a look at how the markets in europe have ended the trading session. the ftse 100 is on course for its longest winning streak since 2009 as another low for sterling helped the uk's main stock index outperform its european peers. ryanair, last week the irish carrier said it had 117 million passengers in 2016, up15%. said it had 117 million passengers in 2016, up 15%. today lufthansa reported a rise. morrisons reported a rise in sales over the christmas period. its best

performance for six years. snap, the company behind messaging app, snapchat, says it has established its non—us headquarters in london. a bit of an unusual move for a big us technology company. the markets. so the ftse into in the green. had an outstanding day. we have seen both president—elect trump and theresa may provide positive news for their respective indexes. trump boosted us stocks by setting out a pro—business agenda. well, that's it from me. there is a round—up of the top business stories on our website. the brazilian government is planning

to built dozens of dams in the amazon. critics say it will mean deforestation and the end of life for many of the indigenous tribes. from the heart of the planet's greatest rainforest emerges one of the world's biggest civil engineering projects. a monolithic monument to progress. the belo monte dam is brazil's answer to its growing energy needs. mired in controversy and allegations of corruption, the $18 billion dam partially blocks the xingu, a major amazon tributary, and has flooded thousands of acres of rainforest. there's a human cost too. the local fishing industry has been decimated, and thousands of riverside dwellers have lost their land and their livelihoods. forced into a completely alien, urban environment. "we get angry", says

juma, showing us his now worthless fishing licence. "we see these corporations making millions from what used to be ours, he says, and we can't even use the river any more. building the dam brought hundreds ofjobs to the riverside town of altamira. but it also led to increasing deforestation and the permanent loss of many low—lying islands. brazil says it wants to build at least 50 hydroelectric dams across the amazon. the government says it is clean, sustainable energy, but the impact of so many of these structures on the world's greatest river system, its environment and people, will be immense. brazil says it wants to build at least 50 hydroelectric

dams across the amazon. tribal chiefs say they will resist any attempts to build dams on the river. translation: the government always comes here with its lies. there is not one place where a dam has been built that turned out good for locals and for our tribes. there is only misery and complaints. these warriors of the sam ch amazon are taking on powerful business and political interests that want to wea ken political interests that want to weaken environmental legislation and fast—track the construction of hydroelectric dams. clean energy and the promise of dams versus the rights of the tribes and whether to exploit or project this fragile eco system. now the weather. jay wynne has the details. there is a lot going on

over the next few days and there is snow in the forecast. the winds are picking up and we will see rain pushing its way into the north of scotla nd pushing its way into the north of scotland in particular. some of that heads further south as well. the winds will be getting to gale force and the rain turns to snow over higher ground in scotland overnight tonight. but the wind, i think, will be a key feature of things. some travel disruption likely because we will see gusts of wind 60mph to 70mph. the snow showers continue across the higher ground of scotland. some of that gets down to lower levels during the day. there will be a few showers in northern england, northern ireland too, but further south, you go, fick particularly the further south, it is dry. further north, only fours and fives, a cold day. another windy day on thursday. further snow showers in some parts of the north of the uk. further south, a lot of rain. maybe notjust rain, over high ground in the south, we could see some snow.

today at 5: a sharp rise in the number of people with mental health problems asking to be seen at accident and emergency departments in england. figures seen by the bbc show a 47% rise in psychiatric attendances at a&e departments over the past four years. our a&es, from what i've seen of it, are very busy, overstimulated places. and somebody with a mental health issue, it's not just conducive at all to them. it comes as figures leaked to the bbc show record numbers of nhs patients in england are facing long waits in a&e departments. the other main stories on bbc news at 5: jeremy corbyn says labour does understand concerns about immigration but it doesn't believe in unrealistic targets. we are not wedded to free movement to the eu as a point of principle but i don't want to be misinterpreted, nor do we rule it out.